[2NL] JJ OOP, facing 3bet ( 2 opponents )

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

I really struggle putting people on ranges. This is my biggest flaw, if I had to hazard a guess I think that UTG could possibly have A9+, KQ+ or any PP.

MP I would put on AQ+ & TT+. Probably way off here but having a shot.

imo, it's best to assume someone is not a retard until they prove it..so...
1st hand in 12 that MP has decided to play....looks like a possible nit that just 3bet an UTG...I would put him on QQ+, AK and maybe AQs.

Do you have possitional stats on the UTG?

Edit: I just re-read your answer that I quoted. A 25/8 normally won't open KQ and small pp from UTG. Supa recommended in another thread for you to use stove to help with your ranges. This is one of the places it'll help. Set up stove to show you the top 8% of hands and then realize that this guy has only raised 8% of hands as an avarage of all positions; prolly a lot less from UTG.
Take a look at that 8% in stove and see how it changes your idea of the UTGs holdings.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

imo, it's best to assume someone is not a retard until they prove it.

I'd recommend you apply this to your own game. I know i do.

I'd never shove in this spot, if your shoving for value, what worse hands are going to call? If your shoving as a bluff what better hands are folding?

The run of the mill 2nl players aren't opening wide utg or 3betting utg opens wide either. my range for an unknown utg at 2nl if i just sat would be AJ+ 22-AA and when MP 3bets i'd put him on QQ+ AK.

Definitely fold.